Andrew, that was very impressive, very well done. Thank you! And it was nice to see someone at this late date to finally put paid to that bullshit on Netflix that Elizabeth was at Loose Chippings that night and physically took part in the murders. She wasn't there.
Wow! You have been on a roll! I hope you have a great Thanksgiving and a good holiday break!
Wow Francis, did you meet her in DC partying in a bar and scoring dope? You had been the guy bringing always so much phantasy stories in here. Talking about the absence of jewelry shops in DC which is simply nonsense. Another story that you had pushed here was that Haysom and Farmer had been seen together on that weekend. Then you had been in the restaurant when Soering had met the Haysoms the first time and you could hear what they were talking about.
Hm, hm are you sure of all that, I think you don't want to be treated as a snob? None of your statements had been proven by you. But I want to take your words seriously!
Anyway, you don't have to stay in DC to get to the evidence presented in trial. That is a fact.
What I said was that Jim Farmer and his housemates gave a party that was in part his birthday party, but was also a kind of farewell party for the year, since exams were coming up and UVA shuts down unceremoniously for those not graduating. People conclude their exams and immediately leave with few farewells, if any. It was a big party, at least eight kegs of beer. Elizabeth would have been expected there by some, for she was well-liked, a bit of a character. But she was not there and that was noted. Then, when a fellow classmate, a girl, who really liked and admired her, directly asked her where she had been, Elizabeth, who had become more and more unstable at this point, full of guilt, fear, and shame, panicked, and used her standard method of controlling the bizarre problems she invariably created for herself. She lied. She said that she had been there. The girl double-checked with others what she already knew and their group was confounded by this oddly blatant falsehood coupled with the first news that the parents had died in a gas explosion, possibly that very night. But then came rumor of stories in the Lynchburg News and Daily Advance of a great crime. The word spread among a few at summer school. But summer intervened. Then, in September, a very strong suspicion began to settle in like a black cloud over the UVA student community. Jim Farmer summoned a group of close friends--mostly openly gay--to an important meeting, one of the most extraordinary meetings of any college group I have ever heard of. It was reported to me that he began a deadly serious speech with the words: "Dear friends." He solemnly presented his belief that they incredibly, tragically, had two actual murderers among them. People they knew, people they were living with. Killers! I think that there soon came a point when students were staring at Elizabeth and Jens, in some cases whispering to each other, when they saw them on the grounds. Our two perps were now hunkered down for most of the day at her living quarters on Rugby Road. This is yet another reason they left, a sense of a growing, suspicious hostility around them.
2. Elizabeth and Jens didn't pay more than thirty dollars for the butterfly knife. They didn't need to sell jewelry; and they didn't have time to sell jewelry. Washington is a scary, difficult city to drive in. Further, they discussed the sale of jewelry in journals they kept in England, where the watch was first mentioned, I think, and then, there it was again, popping up again in Elizabeth's perjured testimony at trial. The store mentioned in the journal, Sladders, is still there at Canterbury, if under a different name. I stopped by there in 2007. (By the way, anyone who goes to the cathedral ought to look at the set-up they have in the cathedral close for the Canterbury cats. It's terrific No orphaned cats there.)
3. I heard the story of what happened at McAdoo's from a Haysom family member in New York state in 1989. There was great concern about this incident both before and after the crimes. It is amazing. It is central to the case. And it surely haunts the family and is one reason why some family members don't understand how Jens Soering would even have been allowed in the house. The Haysoms were gracious and courteous people. And they simply did not understand what was happening. But then, neither did Jens.
that is all hearsay longtime ago which all can not be proven. What I don't understand is the way you're establishing a picture of Haysom to feel pity for her. If she is getting panic she would have to lie...last lady macbeth exit 🤦
From a logical point of view Haysom had no reason to get into panic in front of Lemley telling her in a volunteered interview in 89 that she had called jewelry shops and made 400USD on Saturday in DC. Her guilty plea trial and sentencing had been 2 years before that intervies so she was in a quite relaxed state. A butterfly knife is the complete wrong knife for that kind of wounds. You should better analyze all the pictures made during the autopsy. The single killer confession believer will need the butterfly knife that Soering could hide it in his trousers' pocket.
You see, you only need 2 logical points to blow away long described phantasies represented as truth. Two hunting knives in a shop in Maryland. 80-100 Dollars. Well, if she didn't had to sell jewelry why had she stolen it one week before from her mother?! That fits like a glove!!! Hunting knives will prevent to cut yourself. The small drops of blood O or B could have been easily caused by (scratches nails) in an infight.
Andrew, that was very impressive, very well done. Thank you! And it was nice to see someone at this late date to finally put paid to that bullshit on Netflix that Elizabeth was at Loose Chippings that night and physically took part in the murders. She wasn't there.
Wow! You have been on a roll! I hope you have a great Thanksgiving and a good holiday break!
Wow Francis, did you meet her in DC partying in a bar and scoring dope? You had been the guy bringing always so much phantasy stories in here. Talking about the absence of jewelry shops in DC which is simply nonsense. Another story that you had pushed here was that Haysom and Farmer had been seen together on that weekend. Then you had been in the restaurant when Soering had met the Haysoms the first time and you could hear what they were talking about.
Hm, hm are you sure of all that, I think you don't want to be treated as a snob? None of your statements had been proven by you. But I want to take your words seriously!
Anyway, you don't have to stay in DC to get to the evidence presented in trial. That is a fact.
Doc Crimescene,
What I said was that Jim Farmer and his housemates gave a party that was in part his birthday party, but was also a kind of farewell party for the year, since exams were coming up and UVA shuts down unceremoniously for those not graduating. People conclude their exams and immediately leave with few farewells, if any. It was a big party, at least eight kegs of beer. Elizabeth would have been expected there by some, for she was well-liked, a bit of a character. But she was not there and that was noted. Then, when a fellow classmate, a girl, who really liked and admired her, directly asked her where she had been, Elizabeth, who had become more and more unstable at this point, full of guilt, fear, and shame, panicked, and used her standard method of controlling the bizarre problems she invariably created for herself. She lied. She said that she had been there. The girl double-checked with others what she already knew and their group was confounded by this oddly blatant falsehood coupled with the first news that the parents had died in a gas explosion, possibly that very night. But then came rumor of stories in the Lynchburg News and Daily Advance of a great crime. The word spread among a few at summer school. But summer intervened. Then, in September, a very strong suspicion began to settle in like a black cloud over the UVA student community. Jim Farmer summoned a group of close friends--mostly openly gay--to an important meeting, one of the most extraordinary meetings of any college group I have ever heard of. It was reported to me that he began a deadly serious speech with the words: "Dear friends." He solemnly presented his belief that they incredibly, tragically, had two actual murderers among them. People they knew, people they were living with. Killers! I think that there soon came a point when students were staring at Elizabeth and Jens, in some cases whispering to each other, when they saw them on the grounds. Our two perps were now hunkered down for most of the day at her living quarters on Rugby Road. This is yet another reason they left, a sense of a growing, suspicious hostility around them.
2. Elizabeth and Jens didn't pay more than thirty dollars for the butterfly knife. They didn't need to sell jewelry; and they didn't have time to sell jewelry. Washington is a scary, difficult city to drive in. Further, they discussed the sale of jewelry in journals they kept in England, where the watch was first mentioned, I think, and then, there it was again, popping up again in Elizabeth's perjured testimony at trial. The store mentioned in the journal, Sladders, is still there at Canterbury, if under a different name. I stopped by there in 2007. (By the way, anyone who goes to the cathedral ought to look at the set-up they have in the cathedral close for the Canterbury cats. It's terrific No orphaned cats there.)
3. I heard the story of what happened at McAdoo's from a Haysom family member in New York state in 1989. There was great concern about this incident both before and after the crimes. It is amazing. It is central to the case. And it surely haunts the family and is one reason why some family members don't understand how Jens Soering would even have been allowed in the house. The Haysoms were gracious and courteous people. And they simply did not understand what was happening. But then, neither did Jens.
Hi Francis,
that is all hearsay longtime ago which all can not be proven. What I don't understand is the way you're establishing a picture of Haysom to feel pity for her. If she is getting panic she would have to lie...last lady macbeth exit 🤦
From a logical point of view Haysom had no reason to get into panic in front of Lemley telling her in a volunteered interview in 89 that she had called jewelry shops and made 400USD on Saturday in DC. Her guilty plea trial and sentencing had been 2 years before that intervies so she was in a quite relaxed state. A butterfly knife is the complete wrong knife for that kind of wounds. You should better analyze all the pictures made during the autopsy. The single killer confession believer will need the butterfly knife that Soering could hide it in his trousers' pocket.
You see, you only need 2 logical points to blow away long described phantasies represented as truth. Two hunting knives in a shop in Maryland. 80-100 Dollars. Well, if she didn't had to sell jewelry why had she stolen it one week before from her mother?! That fits like a glove!!! Hunting knives will prevent to cut yourself. The small drops of blood O or B could have been easily caused by (scratches nails) in an infight.
ok. I know that's not exactly what you said. Still, it's a start...